I have a hard time believing that the learning curve when you started with dreamweaver was less steep than the one you have in front today. If anything Wappler team tries every day to flatten it out for us.
I used every version of DW since pre-release of version 1.0. That was in 1996. Things were simple back then and canāt be compared to now. If it hadnāt been for great extensions from companies like DMXZone, I would have found Dreamweaver well over my head as well.
Dreamweaver isnāt even 10% of the product Wappler is. Not a good comparison. 
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Brad if you follow my latest guide, you will see that deploying a full blown site with docker to a new server on Amazon AWS or Digital ocean is just 5 clicks away!
No need for any tech or IT skills and much easier that getting any shared hosting to work!
Just a few clicks and you have your own server up and running in no time!
From one guy with a programming degree to a non-programmer. Let me tell you a secret that others donāt want you to know.
Programming is just learning a mix of basic math, some simple paradigms and a new language as in Italian. Itās not as difficult as people tend to think.
And even knowing that you donāt need to do anything of that with Wappler in its current state.
Enjoy the ride and have faith!
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Iāve tried, trust me it is not easy.
Regardless, we can argue this all day and it will still come down to the fact that the target user has completely shifted. Which I guess is okay. As long as what is there now that is usable by non-coders will still work for a few years. I understand I am no longer in the target market. I will live with that.
Brad, trust me, we are listening to all the users. You are of course in our target group 
I have that feeling that you feel ignored because we spent some time integrating some feature you donāt like/use/want to use. Wappler will become easier and easier to use for non-coders. Thatās our plan for the upcoming versions. Of course this wonāt stop us from enhancing the existing publish/hosting features
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I think youāre underestimating what you can do. Iāve never coded a cart page before, I just realised what was possible when the local storage features were introduced and I went for it. Being able to build it yourself using all the tools available means you can do finer details with relative ease.
I wanted to make the changing of quantities of items in the cart as easy as possible. Just clicking on a + or - button. Wappler made that easy to do. My cart will be different to others, itās exactly how I wanted it to be, but I couldnāt have done it without Wappler.
So the featureset is there and you will be soooo chuffed when you use that produce an impressive result. Relying on a one-click built solution is limiting yourself.
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A bit late to this discussion and I do understand what Brad is saying. The introduction of these newer technologies to Wappler are a trigger for me to do my research and to come to my own conclusion. This is similar to @bradās in that there is nothing wrong with PHP/MySQL/Apache.
At the same time, my latest projects are based on NodeJS/MySQL/NGINX. The template system is what won me over. But there are so many other advantages in using NodeJS and look forward to the time that these features will be incorporated into Wappler.
@JonL, I would prefer to characterise programming as the creation of algorythms 
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Non coder, ex bubbler here - and Wappler has been empowering and exciting.
Itās a fine line between being totally āno codeā for every experience type and being powerful. Bubble is an example of this - they do an exceptional job of making app building accessible - but what comes with that is terrible performance and restrictions.
I have my frustrations with Wappler but thatās 7/8 times out of 10 on me as Iām moving fast and want to be able to do everything right away. Most of this could be handled with improved documentation - that would in turn remove the reliance on the forum for repetitive questions (that I ask).
Only recently Brad you questioned the overhead of a CMS integration ( which is more widely adopted across the net than e-commerce) - so I myself would feel the same about an E-commerce module when there are options out there as JonL highlights. Perhaps a way to choose to exclude some modules to keep bloating down would be a good idea!
Love Wappler. Love the direction and the teamās commitment. Exceptional.
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Canāt agree more with you.
I understand that at the current development pace itās pretty hard to keep a detailed documentation up to date, but itās so valuable for new users, it might one of Wappler biggest growth/adoption lever.
With wappler and, sometimes, a little bit of coding you can build almost anything. Wappler is the only, as far as I know, low code solution that brings together experienced programmers and junior programmers. Both can benerfit a lot. And this is why Wappler is so unique. Keep on what you doing. If you just focus on creating only click and go solutions then Wappler will become just another software.
Thank you
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You are so right.
By integrating App Connect, Server Connect and proven OS libraries under a good UI while facilitating deployment and making sure people are owners of their code so they are not locked into a platform they have cracked the problem in my opinion. They can attract no-coders and low-coders. Hobby, personal and enterprise. Without compromises!
They have the goodness of all worlds.
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Great to hear such wonderful debate!
I think as we start to use something like Wappler, we find a way that works for us that was possible in Wappler when we started, so we sometimes stay with that. Hence as time goes by, some big new features just pass us by.
Iām building one app for life here and started last November, so Iāve passed by Database Manager, Theme Manager, Docker-this-that-and-the-other, nodeJSā¦ so pretty well all the big goodies of 3.0. And yes, sometimes a Thursday is like ānothing new for me todayā.
But then things I really really need come along, like Flows and all the S3 stuff and Iām super happy. 
So sometimes we just have to be grateful for the wonderful software we have already, and the totally amazing team that support us with so much care!
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Antony:
I appear to be having the same experience as you. I took on two applications that consumed all my resources as the goal expanded when I demonstrated good success. As a result I have totally fallen behind in my understanding and use of all the new nifty updates, Wish there were just a series of little demos on how to use all the new features and how one can build on previous Wappler experience to adopt them in a a less painless fashion. Any ideas ? I would love to hear about them.
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