First let me just say I’m really excited to have found Wappler and have been enjoying the learning curve. I have no coding background but have picked up some bits and pieces over the last 12 months whilst trying to build a professional community site. I can see the power of Wappler and appreciate the flexibility and control it can offer me.
However, I’m still not super confident, especially with server side stuff, deployment etc so I’ve been keeping a close eye on a new no code platform Ycode.com who launched their beta today (I don’t yet have access). The main reason for my interest is that they promise to look after the backend, hosting everything on Google cloud in a Docker container.
Can anyone offer me, in general terms, what they see as the main differences between Ycode and Wappler? Advantages, disadvantages, pitfalls, long-term considerations all appreciated.
I appreciate that you might not have actually used Ycode, so even if your advice is based on their features page that would be useful for me.
Also the IP is unclear to me. I read that you can export code and there is no vendor lock-in.
On the other side in their docs they state:
“Ycode only owns the code that runs your application. It’s the same as how Google owns Docs, but not the copy that you write in the document.”
I’ve signed up too (awaiting access). But there doesn’t seem to be any options for custom hosting. So most likely a no-go already.
If I am to look beyond this, the UX would no doubt be much more polished than Wappler, and they might even have support… but they are most likely nowhere near the customization abilities of Wappler and the power that comes with it.
From my perspective of programming and building web-apps, if someone is offering a NO-CODE solution, there are bound to be lots and lots of limitations for people trying to build a custom app for their business. NO-CODE platforms are just good for casual testing or personal blogs/websites at best.
To get the most out of a web app with visual builders, LOW-CODE tools like Wappler are more suitable.
Also the IP is unclear to me. I read that you can export code and there is no vendor lock-in.
From YCode you can download a complete Laravel/Vue.js application, files DB and such. That's awesome for rapid development/prototyping (that's how I intend to use it, at least).
Ycode only owns the code that runs your application.
I think that's a misphrase, since you can (and should) download the code and use it as you wish. I believe they mean that 'as you can build docs with Google Docs and you 100% own them, the same goes for apps created using YCode'.
Dude. There is absolutely no need to astroturf here. Just clarify your license so people know what to expect because that last phrase means Ycode owns the code…period
Maybe you guys wanted to say “Ycode only owns the code that helps you build your app”?
Looks like another Bubble.io to me with the added benefit of more flexible deployment of hosting. But I suspect that will be restricted to a region if they are managing the code base it runs on. Looks like a lock in company again and I suppose that’s ok if you want to just prototype or build tools for your business.
Really is a different target market from those of us who want to own outright what we build!
Now it says:
“Ycode only owns the code that generates your application.”
Instead of:
“Ycode owns the code that runs your application,”
The T&S also state this:
“10.2. However, please keep in mind that Ycode owns the code that runs the Ycode application”
So props for updating. But seriously let us build pornhub2 and stop astroturfing
You guys still have a lot of work to do to catch Wappler in terms of functionality.
Intellectual property ownership
That’s a very fancy word for saying, the data is all yours. Your Ycode design and all the user data you collect (depending on your own user data agreement) belong to you.
Ycode only owns the code that generates your application. It’s the same as how Google owns Docs, but not the copy that you write in the document.
Great, so I spend 6 months building my awesome SAAS product and don't own the code afterwards? Bubble v2 anyone?
Any platform which doesn’t provide you direct access to your code at any time and let you do whatever you like with your code, in my opinion, is not a great solution.
But we all know that this is a great way to keep users paying for “hosting and infrastructure” which platforms like bubble or ([any-other-name] who locks you to use their own hosting) preach it’s really complicated to deal with (“hosting and infrastructure”).
I realised this after I posted. Some of the libraries, i.e App Connect, belongs to Wappler. If things go belly up at least I would still have a functioning site though. It would give me time to re-evaluate options or hire a more experienced developer to extend the core functions.
Here’s hoping @George might consider open-sourcing App Connect if this ever happens. Although saying that it would be a similar blanket promise Bubble had before they received VC funding. We all know what happens when a company accepts money from the devil.
I still place more trust in Wappler than any of the other low code platforms at the moment.
I’m also still highly anticipating Tailwind will come some day, I just love the UI over bootstrap.
I got access last night. It has a nice interface and is easy to use but I missed the freedom that Wappler allows me. It doesn’t help that it’s still very buggy and didn’t save my project at the end!
For my use, ownership is pretty much essential, so any hint of lock-in is concerning.
