$95 for an outdated video lesson is kind of steep.
I, also, have been having a lot of problems wrapping my head around Wappler. One issue is Bootstrap, and the assumption that all of us are building responsive apps that work on mobile devices. Can’t we just get the options to use standard web elements without all of the pre-styling? I would prefer zero style when I’m developing and then fix up the css later. I always feel like I’m hunting and pecking trying to undo something that was set automatically.
The other issue, for me, is that you can’t see everything that’s going on or all of the options unless you know to click in a certain place. And I don’t know how you know if you don’t know. In DW, you can see all of the Server Behaviors on a page without clicking on anything first. I feel like there’s so much hiding in Wappler, that I guess the wrong place to look 10 times before I find the right thing to click on.
I had my Dreamweaver Certification back in the day, and probably built around 40 dynamic websites with large databases. I was able to move to Hawaii 20 years ago solely based on the income from those websites. The old DMXZone extensions and/or the WebAssist extensions really made it easy and fast to generate basic cms-sites. Like, one-day fast. I have had a Wappler pro license since May, but I haven’t been able to do in 4 months what I used to be able to do in Dreamweaver in 4 hours.
Like right now I’m trying to make a very basic user login form. With DW, you made a form then applied a Server Behavior. It asked you where to redirect in either case, it set the security level, you could easily add a Rememeber Me checkbox. It was really very simple. If I spend the rest of today trying to figure this out in Wappler, I know I still won’t have all of those options.
Everyday I struggle with buying the $800 Webassist suite so that I can go back to using DW or do I keep struggling with Wappler. I know Wappler is more advanced because it’s newer, but I’m just having a very hard time with the interface.
I think I purchased the ASP upload extension from George around 2000. Applying that extension 21 years ago was far easier than doing the same thing today in Wappler.
Thanks. I had tried that but now I realize that the Bootstrap js was prohibiting the div’s from showing in the Design view. Now that I removed that, I can actually see what’s going on.
Thanks.
I really prefer the non-styled option in DW where it just shows the invisible elements with the data selectors inside. Really made things easy.
If you want the invisible elements and data selectors to be shown in Design View you may also want to turn off App Connect in the toolbar. I always work with it turned off. You can set it to off by default in the Wappler settings.
Most people who use Wappler including myself, used to use Dreamweaver, I have not even opened Dreamweaver in 2 years, in fact old Dreamweaver created products I just recreate in Wappler now, far quicker and easier than going backwards.
For me it is a true statement, Dreamweaver all alone without DMXZone, or ADDT or WebAssist was never really enough for my needs to be honest, and finally I have an all in one tool that just works.
I love Bootstrap, makes so much of the design phase much faster for me, it took a little getting used to and I was not an early adopter, but after Bootstrap reports started hitting the 20% of the global website market, i figured I must be missing something, and tried, once I did, it made working much faster, and bootstrap is super well documented too.
How fast can you make a login page, with a form, that sets a “remember me” cookie, that redirects to different pages based on success or not.
With DW, you could make that entire thing in less than a minute.
With Wappler, I’m watching video tutorials for an outdated version made by a 3rd party repeatedly trying to figure out what to do. Then he starts pulling in manual code and puts it in the comments. And is still not left with the same functionality.
All of us “old users” are trying to figure out how/why this is better/faster?
Once you wrap your head around the UI and philosophy you can bang out a login page in minutes that includes full hashing of the user credentials (choice of multiple algorithms), control of the cookie, and full security and privileges for multiple user groups. The Server Action provides everything for the necessary form, the form can be built using the Wappler form generator. Styling handled by the amazing Bootstrap styles integration, and then add any bells and whistles you wish to do so, animate it in and out, run it as a single page application, integrate in to mobile and desktop, the list is kind of endless Tony. I had my first copy of Dreamweaver courtesy of Macromedia directly as a review copy when my company sold them a load of monitors and projectors, over twenty years ago. Used it for donkeys years. Integrated the DMX Extension set after stupidly spending a fortune on Web Assist. Never looked back, then Wappler came along defining a new era for me and my colleagues. I was hesitant to drop Dreamweaver at first but I slowly made the switch and soon dropped my Adobe Subscription and went full time Wappler. Never regretted that decision aside from not making it a lot earlier, also wish I had backed Wappler when they were raising funds to develop it, a big regret. Now I try to make up for that by whole-heartidly supporting the product and trying to be of help to other users here in the community (an amazing resource and a diamond in the rough). Can’t praise highly enough.
I thought dreamweaver was discontinued 10 years ago… 15 years ago it was already cheesy. Funny to know that people are still using it. It’s so early 2000s ))
Nothing has really changed in DW in the past 10 or 15 years, except they removed the server behaviors which code was old, outdated and insecure 10 years ago already
It's a dead product.
Nothing has changed much in Photoshop or Illustrator but I still use them everyday. Building on 25 years experience is a good thing. Starting over with Wappler is not for everyone. And judging from the comments, there are many of us who are scratching our heads.
I really appreciate the offer but I’m just not in to Zoom etc. I took my laptop apart and dug out the camera and microphone, my phone is a Nokia 100, I just do not do the face to face thing, not via technology anyway (and am based in Portugal). Maybe @Antony would be interested? Or @nshkrsh? But do appreciate the offer @tbarnhill
I agree with you here : it’s not because some are comfy with the product that the tons of comments (same ones, same as yours, etc) / people giving up after the trial should not be heard. It’s surprising and even more surprising when it comes from other users that do not want to understand it (I guess they are afraid that if the team work on education they will not have time to deliver the weekly release)…
