Whoops @sitestreet
Yeap I got carried away with that one, apologies
Thanks again!
Hi @TomD
I am bookmarking this for when I have a bit more experience with Wappler which I just started learning.
Will be back on a later date thanks!
This is a good question and Iâm not sure if anyone can give a definitive answer. This recent thread touches on this matter.
Thatâs a funny one
Here you have a link to the most controversial post in this community.
Some of the web apps that I self-host for myself are based on PHP though so I donât hate PHP per se. I just donât build things with it. With Wappler, and for the reasons mentioned in the linked post, there is absolutely no reason to choose PHP over nodejs unless itâs a client demand.
Edit: you will figure out if you stick around that I have strong opinions, but opinions donât put food on my dining table so if someone comes up with good arguments I might change them
@TomD @sitestreet @JonL @Teodor
I went through it all the version control post and wellâŚ
I donât have 20 years of experience, I am not a professional developer, I donât have enterprise level clients. I donât have any clients!
I am a designer that simply knows front end and wants to create a freaking app (excuse my tongue) and to look as I designed it on Figma or XD without tinkering BS and breakages everytime.
If on every version upgrade something breaks say in a database (lord have mercy) I wouldnât know where to start and what to do and suppose the app is live then what if I canât troubleshoot the issue myself in a timely manner? This doesnât seem like a reliable way to create your own app it seems like to me.
Thatâs just too much risk that other platforms donât have I believe and I think this happens when you rely on a very small team of people with a (promising) product that is based on Bootstrap and if you donât follow a certain pattern then you will have even more troubleshooting to do down the line.
And the only real way if you want your websites/apps to translate on the web as you designed them is to be dropping BS blocks and elements and tinker the styles till highlander dies (never).
Is it fair to say that basically Wappler is for web developers that mainly donât really do much of design or donât want to do much of design but want to service various clients with it in a quicker fashion?
Does Wappler work best for freelancers only and not business owners directly since it is also marketed at professionals and not as a true no-code tool (rather low code))?
It doesnât seem like the right tool to develop your own business but rather is aimed at developers who service multiple clients no?
Thanks againâŚ
Hehe, I was waiting for that post to get mentioned.
Not fair at all
Wappler is flexible enough to provide value to hobbyist, solo entrepreneurs, freelancers and small/medium enterprise clients. You will actually find all those profiles in this community. Actually many of the opinions will also be biased towards the type of user they are so you need to take that into account and factor it in when taking your decision.
But Wappler as a team and as a product can service all those type of users. They might fall short with contractual support SLAs and that is why you probably wonât see Google using Wappler as a tool. Wappler isnât marketed for them either so I see no problem. But as people said I get better support from Wappler than from Adobe. I donât need a piece of paper to prove that to me.
On the other side, worst case scenario is that the team disappears leaving you without updates to the desktop app. You still would have your code available, your app would still keep running and you could always learn to code backend or hire someone. If the same happened to your cloud app builder say bye-bye to your business.
Only that makes Wappler the only sensible and educated choice right now.
@JonL thank you.
Well Wappler is not the only app that allows you to export code is it?
All well and fine but still there is no proper way for me to build my custom designs here, itâs a bootstrap app or nothing.
So basically itâs good for developers only that want to easily provide services to clients without the need of a designer in a way rather than for designers.
As you say bye bye business but what about dependancy on BS versions isnât that something negative?
Isnât BS meant for prototyping only and getting something up and running fast and then take it from there and build the real thing?
How does Wappler enable me to build the real thing if it uses a CSS framework as the De-Facto in the app no-code environment.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks again.
Absolutely not. Youâll see bootstrap used all over the place. It gives you all the tools to build fully responsive sites/apps but also allow you to finely tune the design.
And taking the considerations of âwhat if it disappearsâ⌠well, bootstrap is just a css and js library so just have a local copy of it and it will continue to work anyway. But it ainât going anywhere.
By the way, if your app is successful and one day you decide to sell it BS will count as a plus. Any company will prefer to acquire software that is easy to maintain. Itâs easier to find a designer with bootstrap knowledge than a developer with Savy CSS knowledge(as there is only one of those currently ).
Hi and thanks again.
I think all these companies tinker their BS classes to make their websites and apps align with their branding?
I donât want to tinker with any CSS framework I believe I have the right to that no?
Is it possible that these companies use this tool for consistency reasons mainly so they can actually handle their massive infrastructure without having things and styles break in corners? Itâs quite possible isnât it?
How does BS helps ME as an individual achieve what I have designed into an actual app without being depended on it and tinkering it to âmake itâ work for me, why would I pay an app that makes me do this.
Zealotry my friend is not a good thing, and I try not to include emotion into my discussions.
Itâs a specific service I am looking for and if itâs not here then I shall get going right?
Thanks all for your inputs but please try to be neutral and reply on a case to case basis and not in the end all be all style.
Thanks again.
EDIT:
This is not a designers tool for no-code or low-code if it was it wouldnât be based on a CSS Framework.
Itâs a developers tool.
Obviously you all must be benefiting from Wappler so there is no chance to actually provide the right advice or guidance etc.
No hard feelings.
Of course. But then Wappler is not the tool for you.
You probably are better off with webflow then. Itâs more designer oriented and not Bootstrap dependent but whatever CSS proprietary framework they use
Good luck with your search.
Bye.
Anyone else concerned that we are not fit to âprovide right advice or guidanceâ but I just gave âexcellent adviceâ because it fits preconceived ideas or it promotes the vaguely related âcompetitionâ. Maybe white theme editors abusers are more common than we thought. Disturbing.
Anyways, back to building stuff. Long live Bootstrap y la madre que os pariĂł.
Hi @Savy
Unfortunately for now Wappler (its visual tools) does only support the Bootstrap framework for designing web apps and sites. We do not offer an out of the box framework free solution with our components. However users can style the Bootstrap components and elements the way they need them to look like.
In the future we hope to offer such a solution, made more designers friendly and not framework dependent.
@JonL @sitestreet @TomD @Teodor
Dude canât relax, can he? He just has to say the last word on every post, we got the memo Jonas no worries.
Are you racist a little bit Jonas? I donât even speak Spanish but you assume I do because (insert reason)?
y la madre que os pariĂł
Donât come out to me like this now Mr. Jonas Liben, talking about moms online and behind a keyboard what kind of a man does?
Translating the above phrase returns something about moms, are you serious?
Please stop talking/harassing me here. All I asked was if this software is for me and thatâs what I was trying to understand.
Would I blindly invest so much time on something before I have all my questions answered and things explained to me by the support here? I am trying to solve a problem.
I donât know what your problem is, you have too much aggresiveness but you channel it online through your keyboard so I donât know what to say to you.
If anyone has any more input on the matter that is not biased like this (almost) gentleman feel free to provide.
Thanks again!
@Teodor @TomD @sitestreet @JonL
Now thatâs a proper professional response.
Kudos to you Teodor and I like Bulgaria a lot this comes from a southern neighbor
Thanks and good luck going forward.
Bootstrap does a great deal of the heavy work for you. A very quick example is a modal. To do all the css and js scripting to produce a good looking and fully responsive modal would take a lot of time. With bootstrap itâs there ready for you.
Form styling, buttons, text, boxes, columns⌠itâs all ready to be used. And the cross-browser testing has already been done for you, too.
So I wouldnât try and reinvent the wheel but, instead, used the excellent features it provides and tweak as needed.
And Wapplerâs implementation of bootstrap makes it very fast to build excellent pages/sites/apps which you know will work across all the main operating systems, devices and browsers.