I usually create websites with Webflow and Wordpress, but a client asked me for a simple web app. Even though it really is “simple”, it’s not doable with a plugin, and my developer said the budget is too thin for him (it’s about 5000$, so not enough for a custom build).
That’s what the client needs:
Users will need to register with their personal info AND their dog info. Their dog info should be placed inside a database
Once you register, you can log in inside a reserved area. In that area, you should be able to:
record every crysis your dog have
register every treatment
And those are two basic forms.
After that, you will have
a calendar view showing how the crysis are going day-by-day
a graph showing the gradual intensity of the crysis.
I just tried Wappler, and I can see it has a very steep learning curve. I’m very confident with the html+css part, but everything about the “coding” stuff is very hard to understand.
Before starting to dive in, maybe with a mentor from this forum, may I ask what makes wabbler better than Bubble?
I was attracted to it because i don’t like bubble’s servers, but is there any other major “pro”?
This depends entirely on the effort that you put in combined with prior knowledge of coding for the web. In general I would suggest that you could be up and running within a few days.
Although PHP is used, you will not be required to know any PHP for server behaviours, Wappler will enter the code as required. The same goes for client side code - JS.
There may be an occasion where Wappler will not (currently) do what you require of it, in which case you can always come here where someone will help you out.
Yes, Wappler is a game changer even for hard core coders like me who find it is no longer necessary to code.
To be honest, don’t expect to be a Wappler expert in 30 days, the workflow of Wappler is so advanced and different to previous products it may take a while until you re-adjust your thinking.
HOWEVER Wappler has the best support community around (as you are probably already finding) and in the event of problems the community can generally resolve your issues.
The beauty of Wappler is you don’t really need to understand PHP, SQL or JavaScript to use it, It is entirely visual, It is only really power users who want to push the boundaries who need to have an understanding of coding.
Following on from Ben’s comments, take a look at https://wapplerunwrapped.online or the Wappler YouTube channel. On the YouTube channel there are a number of videos produced by myself, psweb (Paul) and Ben which cover all the basics of Wappler. Most are quite short 5-10 minutes and cover everything from database management, security logins, charts and image management. Paul’s, although much longer, go through the development of an entire project.
Have you looked at the full website series by psweb on https://www.learnwappler.com/ , It covers pretty much everything from database creation, MySQL setup and of course the actual website.
From what you are saying frankly I think you will need more that 30 days to get from where you are now to creating that app you showcased
I have taken a look at Bubble, never looked at it before. To be honest it does not look at all suitable for something as complex as the application you showed in the video, It’s very simplistic by comparison.
That's not the case actually
There is a visual query builder in Wappler which should be used to create your queries.
However you need to have at least a basic understanding of what a database is and what is it used for and also how/where to find your ftp connection details, in order to use them in Wappler
Giorgio, even though it may look complicated it is not that bad, as a non technical coder myself Wappler allows me to go way beyond my skill set with ease.
On here you have a great community who will help you if you get stuck, even on questions you feel you should already know (trust me I’ve asked plenty of them)
There are so many videos on here and the DMX site I’m sure you will find what need.
My advice get all the complicated things working first then add you design into it.
Makes it so much easier.
I'm an active bubble user (seanhoots) and I saw you posted this in the Bubble forum also.
I want to give wappler for a spin because of the native mobile support (through Framework 7) which is something that Bubble lacks.
So i'm interested in your experience with Bubble and Wappler so far.
You mentioned in this post you wanted to switch from Bubble to Wappler because bubble isn't SEO-friendly and "you don't like bubble's servers".
If I may ask what makes you not like bubble servers? In terms of SEO-friendliness I think that is dependent on your own SEO expertise - you can make your bubble site very SEO-friendly.
@Hyperbytes I think you didn't look into Bubble deep enough. You can build any complex dynamic web application in bubble.
I can easily build @Giorgio_Private application based on the requirements he provided and the video in Bubble in just one day.
It is funny how the Wappler and Bubble communities are living in worlds apart.
Each community doesn't seem to know much about the other and their tool.
My goal coming here is to build native mobile apps using Wappler and Bubble. Will be using Wappler (FrameWork 7) for the front-end and Bubble for the backend. From the limited video tutorials i've seen in Wappler it appears i will be able to create my database and server-side application logic way faster in bubble than using a php-mysql server.
Bubble.io reminds me a lot of Adobe’s Business Catalyst. You could do almost anything but it was proprietary and tied to their own servers. Adobe closing those services and servers has left developers of redoing many sites for a reduced or no cost.
I would not want to be tied to a host and proprietary code again. It has cost me dearly.
@brad I totally agree with you on the proprietary code aspect of bubble.
The only assurance for developers is that bubble has promised to open source their code should they close shop. And if that should happen i think one can continue using and developing on bubble still.
Afterall bubble is written in coffeescript running on a node.js.
I develop bubble plugins so have a fair understanding of how things work and if the code is open-sourced it will be easy to continue developing on it.
For me personally I see bubble as a way to quickly create a solid MVP and get a product to market asap without worrying about setting up database, hosting,etc.
For people without any software background Bubble currently is a no-brainer.
As a developer though i think wappler is a winner for me based on the little i’ve seen now.
Right now each have their strengths and weakness and depending on what one knows, want to build and future plans may choose one or the other.
This is the reason why i’m committed in getting into Wappler even though i’m a very advanced bubble developer.
This is simply untrue. Bubble can create some very advanced applications and advanced UI logic. I’ve even seen a Trello clone built with it, all with zero code (I doubt this is possible with Wappler).
The cost of scaling on the Bubble platform is a big concern for me. Also, the pricing of some plugins are ridiculous. Fine for non-coders, sure, but as a developer it’s a little tough to swallow at times, especially as they’re priced per site (non-transferable). But then the only alternative is to develop your own plugins, thus buying into the platform even more…
Also, the page weight is a huge concern - seems that there’s no server rendering (I don’t see links unfurl) with an often inconsistent feel to the UI due to performance issues. From reading the forum, it seems that the team are constantly recommending data read & write optimisations, is. denormalise your data, yet I don’t see these recommendations mentioned in the docs at all.
If Wappler integrated with FireStore (with realtime UI updates etc.), Google Cloud Functions, Cloud Storage etc. out of the box, I’d be all over it. Failing that, I’d love to be able to use node.js (Express) instead of PHP. One day…
