Thank you Jon,
I already know a little bit of Javascript (built a weather app 2 years ago with Vanilla but that’s it as far as my knowledge goes with this) it would probably be wiser for me to go with NodeJS as I understand.
Thanks again!
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Just to clarify: you don’t want or need to tinker with BS files directly. There are two methods, as described by @sitestreet. If you use Wappler’s theme editor - in most cases, the best and most efficient approach - you will in effect be modifying the relevant SASS variables and recompiling BS, which I believe is the recommended way.
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Just because Wordpress is built with PHP, don’t rule it out completely. 
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Hi @TomD
I am bookmarking this for when I have a bit more experience with Wappler which I just started learning.
Will be back on a later date thanks!
This is a good question and I’m not sure if anyone can give a definitive answer. This recent thread touches on this matter.
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That’s a funny one 
Here you have a link to the most controversial post in this community.
Some of the web apps that I self-host for myself are based on PHP though so I don’t hate PHP per se. I just don’t build things with it. With Wappler, and for the reasons mentioned in the linked post, there is absolutely no reason to choose PHP over nodejs unless it’s a client demand.
Edit: you will figure out if you stick around that I have strong opinions, but opinions don’t put food on my dining table so if someone comes up with good arguments I might change them
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@TomD @sitestreet @JonL @Teodor
I went through it all the version control post and well… 
I don’t have 20 years of experience, I am not a professional developer, I don’t have enterprise level clients. I don’t have any clients!
I am a designer that simply knows front end and wants to create a freaking app (excuse my tongue) and to look as I designed it on Figma or XD without tinkering BS and breakages everytime.
If on every version upgrade something breaks say in a database (lord have mercy) I wouldn’t know where to start and what to do and suppose the app is live then what if I can’t troubleshoot the issue myself in a timely manner? This doesn’t seem like a reliable way to create your own app it seems like to me.
That’s just too much risk that other platforms don’t have I believe and I think this happens when you rely on a very small team of people with a (promising) product that is based on Bootstrap and if you don’t follow a certain pattern then you will have even more troubleshooting to do down the line.
And the only real way if you want your websites/apps to translate on the web as you designed them is to be dropping BS blocks and elements and tinker the styles till highlander dies (never).
Is it fair to say that basically Wappler is for web developers that mainly don’t really do much of design or don’t want to do much of design but want to service various clients with it in a quicker fashion?
Does Wappler work best for freelancers only and not business owners directly since it is also marketed at professionals and not as a true no-code tool (rather low code))?
It doesn’t seem like the right tool to develop your own business but rather is aimed at developers who service multiple clients no?
Thanks again… 
Hehe, I was waiting for that post to get mentioned. 
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Not fair at all
Wappler is flexible enough to provide value to hobbyist, solo entrepreneurs, freelancers and small/medium enterprise clients. You will actually find all those profiles in this community. Actually many of the opinions will also be biased towards the type of user they are so you need to take that into account and factor it in when taking your decision.
But Wappler as a team and as a product can service all those type of users. They might fall short with contractual support SLAs and that is why you probably won’t see Google using Wappler as a tool. Wappler isn’t marketed for them either so I see no problem. But as people said I get better support from Wappler than from Adobe. I don’t need a piece of paper to prove that to me.
On the other side, worst case scenario is that the team disappears leaving you without updates to the desktop app. You still would have your code available, your app would still keep running and you could always learn to code backend or hire someone. If the same happened to your cloud app builder say bye-bye to your business.
Only that makes Wappler the only sensible and educated choice right now.
@JonL thank you.
Well Wappler is not the only app that allows you to export code is it?
All well and fine but still there is no proper way for me to build my custom designs here, it’s a bootstrap app or nothing.
So basically it’s good for developers only that want to easily provide services to clients without the need of a designer in a way rather than for designers.
As you say bye bye business but what about dependancy on BS versions isn’t that something negative?
Isn’t BS meant for prototyping only and getting something up and running fast and then take it from there and build the real thing?
How does Wappler enable me to build the real thing if it uses a CSS framework as the De-Facto in the app no-code environment.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks again.
Absolutely not. You’ll see bootstrap used all over the place. It gives you all the tools to build fully responsive sites/apps but also allow you to finely tune the design.
And taking the considerations of “what if it disappears”… well, bootstrap is just a css and js library so just have a local copy of it and it will continue to work anyway. But it ain’t going anywhere.
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By the way, if your app is successful and one day you decide to sell it BS will count as a plus. Any company will prefer to acquire software that is easy to maintain. It’s easier to find a designer with bootstrap knowledge than a developer with Savy CSS knowledge(as there is only one of those currently ).
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Hi and thanks again.
I think all these companies tinker their BS classes to make their websites and apps align with their branding?
I don’t want to tinker with any CSS framework I believe I have the right to that no?
Is it possible that these companies use this tool for consistency reasons mainly so they can actually handle their massive infrastructure without having things and styles break in corners? It’s quite possible isn’t it?
How does BS helps ME as an individual achieve what I have designed into an actual app without being depended on it and tinkering it to “make it” work for me, why would I pay an app that makes me do this.
Zealotry my friend is not a good thing, and I try not to include emotion into my discussions.
It’s a specific service I am looking for and if it’s not here then I shall get going right?
Thanks all for your inputs but please try to be neutral and reply on a case to case basis and not in the end all be all style.
Thanks again.
EDIT:
This is not a designers tool for no-code or low-code if it was it wouldn’t be based on a CSS Framework.
It’s a developers tool.
Obviously you all must be benefiting from Wappler so there is no chance to actually provide the right advice or guidance etc.
No hard feelings.
Of course. But then Wappler is not the tool for you.
You probably are better off with webflow then. It’s more designer oriented and not Bootstrap dependent but whatever CSS proprietary framework they use 
Good luck with your search.
Bye.
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Anyone else concerned that we are not fit to “provide right advice or guidance” but I just gave “excellent advice” because it fits preconceived ideas or it promotes the vaguely related “competition”. Maybe white theme editors abusers are more common than we thought. Disturbing.
Anyways, back to building stuff. Long live Bootstrap y la madre que os parió.
Hi @Savy
Unfortunately for now Wappler (its visual tools) does only support the Bootstrap framework for designing web apps and sites. We do not offer an out of the box framework free solution with our components. However users can style the Bootstrap components and elements the way they need them to look like.
In the future we hope to offer such a solution, made more designers friendly and not framework dependent.
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